Ahhh, beginner gains. Like an addicts first hit of crack or heroin, nothing can touch the unbridled, massive strength and muscle gains that only an unexperienced lifter can make. Be careful though - one you pick up ONE WEIGHT, the timer starts. So you best be ready to commit. As soon as the first rep begins its uneven, way-too-fast descent to your protruding sternum (of course, every beginner's first set is done whilst lying on a bench press), you are soon to be recipient of more muscle growth and strength than ANYONE EVER. I am being facetious, of course. And we all know facetious is a huge spelling error away from "feces". So that is also appropriate. The whole point is that this shit is s a myth, in so far that there is some kind of time table for someone to make gains and magically, as if by the internet lifting god, they are gone. It doesn't work like that and it never has. The people that perpetrate this idea are doing everyone a huge disservice and really, if you want to be dramatic about it, completely fucking up training by ignoring the physiological needs and the mental learning curve of programming/training as well as emotional/physical maturity. That's not to say that someone isn't going to make large strides when beginning their training - they will if they do things reasonably correct. But there is no timetable and getting there as quick as possible is not a good option - getting there in this manner often leads to an uneducated, unbuilt, untrained athlete unable to cope with what comes next. Physically, mentally as well as emotional and physical maturity. (To reiterate the point). While I understand someone wanting to "get shredded in 8 weeks" and can accept that turds "cut/bulk" or whatever Top 40 style of training is in for them this week - I can't accept them as part of any serious discussion with people who give a shit. This is my opinion and I'm sure most people disagree with me but luckily: 1. I am ok with that. 2. You aren't being trained by me, so it shouldn't matter to you. I've have worked with enough people in my life to understand that training is much bigger than squats and deadlifts and jogging. If that's all people want it to be, than that's cool too. It akin to Amon Amarth, Lamb of God and The Black Dahlia Murder - it that is what people think passes as extreme music or heavy metal: that's fine for them but not for me.